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Post by coolbyrne on Jun 29, 2007 10:18:03 GMT -5
;D I saw that, too! And I laughed and laughed!
Hmmm... good question. I don't know. I think anyone who has taken the time to look around the 'net and get information about her, either through articles or fan experience, would know that two fans don't represent what kind of person Mandana is. I would hope people would know that, anyway.
What I DO wonder is a bit of a flip on your question- does anyone thing that the actions of those two webfolk may have actually had an adverse effect on how Mandana views fans? I mean, I think she was fairly "fan shy" long before the board was created and the pressure started, but you have to wonder if the constant suffocation of their actions at Othello (just to name one instance) was the nail in the coffin for fans. If an individual situation occured where she was in contact with a fan, I think things would go really well. But in a general sense, I've often wondered if these past (and current) experiences with the duo have made her really step back from fan contact. Which, ironically, works in mj.net's favour.
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Post by Mad as Hell on Jul 1, 2007 3:52:12 GMT -5
I don't believe it. How low can the blue site get? You are not telling me that this latest spate of new autographs, London Bridge clips and site revamps is not in direct response to comments here.
The posts make out that they've JUST had all this stuff from Mandana. Look back on threads and you will see she sent them that tape over 2 months ago. They've admitted Mandana was throwing the tape out and, no doubt, thought it would be nice for ALL her fans to see. They have kept that stuff FOR THEMSELVES and are only now bringing it out because they know fans have sussed them out. There have even been threads on there questioning whether Mandana and Simone ever shared scenes in London Bridge AND KEPT QUIET.
Mandana deserves better.
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Post by coolbyrne on Jul 1, 2007 7:45:36 GMT -5
I laughed at that as well- this inference that Mandana JUST gave them that particular video like YESTERDAY. This was most definitely from the tape where the OTHER London Bridge clip came from (that was leaked on YouTube after they tried to keep it for their site). I wonder if they asked Mandana, who obviously contacted them recently (*sarcasm) if she speaks in a Green Flag advert? And whatever will they do when they run out of the stack of photos they got Mandana to autograph when they camped out at the theatre for days on end during Othello? Is it just my imagination, or did not one of the duo actually come out and say Mandana and Simone were NOT in scenes together? I could have sworn I read that reply months back, but when I went to look for it again, it wasn't there. In fact, what was there was a very affirmative, "Yes, they WERE in scenes together!" That might just be my faulty memory, though.
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Post by coolbyrne on Jul 1, 2007 17:23:07 GMT -5
Just to make a correction on my above post- it was a moderator on the board, not either of the board owners who mistakenly stated that Mandana and Simone were NOT in scenes together. And taken from the London Bridge thread... wow, MJ.net set up a YouTube account?? But... but... wasn't this the complaint when the first London Bridge clip got leaked on YouTube: Aren't they worried about someone stealing a picture from the clip and selling it?? Isn't posting it up on YouTube an infringement of the original copyright?? Won't Mandana get angry that the tape she gave to a fan MONTHS ago, with the intent of the contents being shared with other fans, is actually now, MONTHS later, actually fulfilling its purpose?? I'm so confused!
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Post by anon4areason on Jul 2, 2007 12:51:44 GMT -5
Can someone explain this to me cuz it doesn't make sense to me. I saw this on that other board.
"It really would have gone in the bin if Mandana hadn't thought just to ask if we wanted it!"
and this too
"We have one more smaller clip of them together (which again, we'll be putting up when we get chance to)."
(Sorry i don't know how to do the quote thing.) Is this the same tape that the 1st london bridge clip came from in febuary or whenever cuz that was 4 months ago! Why did it take so long for us to get the 2nd clip with mandana & simone & how come they can't put all the clips up now? can't they do them all at once then put them on youtube in a day or whatever?
I always feel like they hold back things from us fans. Like they just give things out like little bits of candy like they're doing us a favor. I feel like i'm 5 years old.
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Post by gingercat on Jul 2, 2007 13:08:25 GMT -5
Somebody else who feels the same way.
I would love Mandana to realise just what goes on as I am sure she doesnt.
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Post by coolbyrne on Jul 2, 2007 14:13:16 GMT -5
Before I answer, if you want to quote like I just did, there's a little box above this open space, with a small white piece of paper and a blue arrow. Second row of boxes, second from the end. You already seem to know how to copy, so just click on that box and paste the text between the two quote /quote brackets.
To answer your questions, yes, it's the same video tape they were given by Mandana back in February. (Or who knows? Maybe EARLIER!) It's the same video tape they got the first London Bridge clip that caused such a huge uproar when it got leaked by someone else on YouTube. So yes, they've had this Mandana/Simone clip (and whatever else they have that they don't have time to put up just now) for at least FOUR MONTHS.
And yes, as I've said many, many times in the past, in the time it takes them to type out, "When we have time, we'll post more clips", they could pretty much have posted the damn clip already! It's not rocket science, folks.
As to your final question, to be honest, I don't know why they can't post everything all at once, or at least in some kind of scheduled manner. What is the purpose of holding onto these things except for the odd satisfaction of having something other fans don't have? Why does it take another site (like ours) to pretty much push them into playing their ace in the hole in order to divert attention away from the fact that they're crap for being "insiders"? Hello, we're still waiting for the second Green Flag advert!!. (Check out that particular thread on this board and find out why anyone who is waiting for mj.net to post it might be waiting a long, long time... unless they steal it from us first.) Apparently they've got one more M/S clip that they'll get around to posting. Okay. And when they've run out of things they've been hoarding for months/years (all I keep seeing is Golum and the Ring. "My preciousssssssssss"), what are they going to do the next time a site (like ours) gets the jump on them again and exposes them again for the wool-spinners that they are? Hold tight to that key, ladies!
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Post by guest on Jul 3, 2007 2:20:04 GMT -5
here's something that I have wondered. There are requests every year for fans to post birthday greetings and Christmas greetings for Mandana and these are supposed to be sent to her. This year was a big one and they said they'd had loads of emails as well as the threads to send to her and a video was done. Mandana was in eastenders the week before her birthday and 2 weeks after they had a signature from her on a printout photo of her in eastenders. Anyone else think its dead strange that there was no mention of a thankyou for all the good wishes on her birthday? She'd taken the time to sign a picture that must have been sent with the greetings but no mention of the cards and messages? Was the thanks not passed on to all the fans who took the time
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Post by Mandana Fan on Jul 3, 2007 3:16:16 GMT -5
What is the betting that backroom scrabbling is being done to try and get Miss Jones to send a special "I would like to thank you for this wonderful site and all the hard work you do" type messages.
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Post by Guest on Jul 3, 2007 10:54:08 GMT -5
I think some of the issues raised here about the other board are interesting, although some of the comments (not all, but some) are just conjecture -- taking bits of evidence and tying them together to create this evil other. I assume their site was created as this one was, by dedicated fans who wanted to do right by Mandana. They've made mistakes over the years, and it sounds like they've been too territorial and too proud of their connection to Mandana, but I think it does "descend into pettiness" at some point to keep railing against them.
Same goes with comparing Mandana and Simone ... blah, why bother? I don't see Helen Stewart at all when I watch something like Long Haul, but to each their own. I think they're both talented actors, and I don't think it's necessary to pick apart either. Mandana's wonderful. It doesn't seem necessary to spend all this energy attacking her former co-star or another website.
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Post by bgfanusa on Jul 3, 2007 12:33:39 GMT -5
(all I keep seeing is Golum and the Ring. "My preciousssssssssss"),
That had me ROFL! Good one!!
I don't see Helen Stewart at all when I watch something like Long Haul, but to each their own. I think they're both talented actors, and I don't think it's necessary to pick apart either. Mandana's wonderful. It doesn't seem necessary to spend all this energy attacking her former co-star or another website.
I have to agree with this comment. I can understand your frustration at the way the other website behaved. Got to say it is time to move on and keep it to Mandana love...for better or worse...again...we are ALL fans.
The info now is out there about what they did and did not do...sometimes it is best to move on and take the high ground.
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Post by romanmachine on Jul 3, 2007 16:15:49 GMT -5
I think some of the issues raised here about the other board are interesting, although some of the comments (not all, but some) are just conjecture -- taking bits of evidence and tying them together to create this evil other. I assume their site was created as this one was, by dedicated fans who wanted to do right by Mandana. They've made mistakes over the years, and it sounds like they've been too territorial and too proud of their connection to Mandana, but I think it does "descend into pettiness" at some point to keep railing against them. Same goes with comparing Mandana and Simone ... blah, why bother? I don't see Helen Stewart at all when I watch something like Long Haul, but to each their own. I think they're both talented actors, and I don't think it's necessary to pick apart either. Mandana's wonderful. It doesn't seem necessary to spend all this energy attacking her former co-star or another website. I think it's interesting that Simone fans see anything other than blind praise for the actress as an 'attack.' I have yet to find one Simone fan that didn't overreact this way. I assume the same about that site, too. But, see, the problem lies not in their original intentions, but in what they've become. I certainly wouldn't fault them for being "proud" of an association with Mandana. In my opinion, though, they've gone way beyond "proud" and into absurdity by inferring that the relationship is much more than it actually is. Personally, I would find their behavior laughable if they hadn't abused fellow MJ fans for their own purpose. Lest you think that's merely conjecture, I've actually spoken to many of those abused fans about their experiences with that site and its owners. The things I've heard were eye-opening, to say the least. Don't worry, though - voicing our opinions for that other site certainly doesn't diminish the amount of care & energy we put into the FC. Our focus here is on Mandana because, as you say, she is wonderful.
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Post by romanmachine on Jul 3, 2007 18:00:42 GMT -5
I have to agree with this comment. I can understand your frustration at the way the other website behaved. Got to say it is time to move on and keep it to Mandana love...for better or worse...again...we are ALL fans.
The info now is out there about what they did and did not do...sometimes it is best to move on and take the high ground.[/quote]
To be honest, bgfanusa, we didn't expect so much agreement in this thread. We figured it would either be pretty dead or full of argument. Coolbyrne and I have both been surprised at how many people share our concerns & frustrations. That, in turn, has made us wonder if some of the fandom needed a place to vent about everything that's happened. The point of the thread was just to get a few things off our chests, but it seems to have turned into something more.
Having said that, this site's (and board's) main purpose is to spread the Mandana love. No amount of frustration will change that. :)
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Post by coolbyrne on Jul 3, 2007 22:56:39 GMT -5
I do want to say "thank you" for taking the time to post. It's very easy to fall into a mob mentality when everyone agrees, so to have a dissenting voice is always a good thing. And, as RM says above, I actually expected more of that when I made the original post. Now I will ask, not to stir the pot or poke the dead horse with a stick but out of geniune curiosity- what parts do you consider conjecture? -Do you not get the impression the folks who run MJ.net hold themselves in higher standard than the fans that financially keep the site going? -Does it not appear to you that the folks who run MJ.net have exaggerated their "relationship" with MJ in order to elevate themselves above other fans? -Do you not get the feeling the folks who run MJ.net intentionally withhold information (video clips, autographed photos, etc.) in order to maintain that image of being the "go-to" people Mandana contacts on a regular basis? By that I mean, they speak of video clips and photos they have been given by Mandana, as if they are given them on separate events, when in fact it's not just apparent, but downright fact that they have things stored up, to be doled out at their leisure. The London Bridge tape is a prime example; that's not conjecture. ... and that's when they actually HAVE information, though it's always a bit hard to tell when they use clever phrases like, "It's our understanding," and "From what we know", etc. I knew my comments about Simone could be taken in a negative way, and there's not much I can say to convince some folks otherwise, but I genuinely don't have that much of an interest in Simone, as an individual. (And I made sure to mention that my comments should be taken with a grain of salt, as I admitted to not having seen ALL her work.) She's there for a comparison purpose, and I know, the question then becomes, "Why is there a need for comparison?" There isn't, of course, but it's human nature to do so. But to be honest, she doesn't inspire enough emotion from me to generate a genuine negative (or positive) feeling from me. And at risk of fanning the flames, I have to agree with RM- why does it seem any comment that is even slightly negative towards Simone seen as an "attack" by her supporters? By all means, defend her, as we would if someone said something negative about Mandana, but let's not accuse a negative, personal opinion as an "attack." I wasn't going to post further in this thread, because as bgusafan said, there comes a time to just move on. (That being said, I am quite surprised at how many new posts by new people are being posted.) However, I wanted to address your post, as it's the first slightly opposing one thus far.
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Post by guest on Jul 4, 2007 0:31:54 GMT -5
I think this is one example of conjecture:
As I said, I don't doubt but what there's some truth to what's said about the other site, and certainly some hard feelings have developed over time. But after the initial venting and catharsis, I don't think complaining about it over here and envisioning or making fun of what they might be thinking or doing doesn't lead to any sort of resolution. As you said in your first post, it can easily descend into pettiness.
I think saying Simone has only played variations on one character throughout her career (“it’s the same old stuff churned out”) qualifies as an attack. But you can call it a "negative, personal opinion." That's a fairly thin distinction, I think. The larger point is it may be human nature, as you said, to compare Mandana and Simone, but IMO it detracts from a Mandana fansite, especially one that's supposed to have a sense of humor about itself.
And that's not a point that's unique to Simone. If someone expressed a negative opinion about Linda Henry and it was bandied about, with her being negatively compared to Mandana, I'd say the same thing. Why bother? It doesn't lift Mandana up.
That about sums it up for me.
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